@dgold I can understand that. After using MSN (and their chat programs) for 17 months I signed up to btinternet, pretty-much the biggest UK ISP. They had a set of closed usenet-like newsgroups, with just enough people to keep it interesting, fun. We met up a few times In. Real. Life. and I still keep in touch with a core few. Not a bad feeling after nearly 19 years. :)